proposal to change the hour of the quiz (premiera)

[criville]

Hello,
recently i have noticed a tendency that most quizes are run later at 20.00 or 20.30 or even 21.00 and usualy they don't start in time either because we are waiting for sb or whatever. i think we should consider introducing an earlier hour for quizes for example 18.00. here are my reasons for this proposal:

first of all at those hours seems that all the world is on the net which causes quite a lag. for example today i was really frustrated because i was waiting for KrzS' quiz but then i couldn't really play it properly:

[20:01] [KrzS PING reply]: 22secs
[20:06] [KrzS PING reply]: 1min 2secs
[20:06] [KrzS PING reply]: 21secs
[20:07] [KrzS PING reply]: 40secs
[20:10] [KrzS PING reply]: 1min 24secs
[20:12] [KrzS PING reply]: 1min 16secs
[20:15] [KrzS PING reply]: 39secs
[20:19] [KrzS PING reply]: 19secs
[20:20] [KrzS PING reply]: 7secs
[20:22] [KrzS PING reply]: 43secs
[20:27] [KrzS PING reply]: 16secs
[20:30] [KrzS PING reply]: 3sec

i know its my own fault that i have a sucking net connection but on the other hand i'm probably, as John Lennon use to sang, not the only one.

secondly at 20.30 or 21.00 there are usualy movies starting on TV (or some sports) and if you want to play in the quiz you have sac at least a part of the movie.

thirdly on fridays or saturdays if you go out then you probably have to get ready and 21.00 is quite an unfortunate hour for quizes.

i'm not saying all quizes should move but introducing an earlier hour as an option for people who run quizes would be IMO beneficial. i have a feeling its not only me who'd enjoy a good quiz at 18.00 but then again i might be wrong and i'd like to read opinions of other quizplayers on this matter.

criville

[wilk]

They are run betwen 19-20 (rarely at 21). This time period was choosen because most people are active on channel and play quizbot. Also take into account that some people study or work and they have to relax after. True that some movies are at the same time, but we try to run quizes before or after movies' time (that was the reason to run quizes since 19, not 20 as before). About weekend - that's why quizes are mostly not played during weekend, only on rare occasions and this is announced earlier in channel's topic. About the lag case... Well, you have to remember that quizes are run from Polish servers, also most lag situations are caused because of insufficient user's bandwidth - try to turn off P2P, internet radio and other bandwidth consuming applications. If there will be wider response, than quizes will start since 18, as suggested.

[criville]

i know that some people come out of work relatively late but the point is that i suspect that there are people who might prefer to play quiz at 18.00 rather than at 20.00 or 21.00. but lets wait what others say, maybe my impression is wrong. in the mean time i went to check the "najaktywniejsze pory dnia" statistic:

september 2008
18.00 7.0%
19.00 9.6%
20.00 7.8%
21.00 6.4%

october 2008
18.00 9.3%
19.00 12.2%
20.00 7.8%
21.00 6.4%

november 2008
18.00 7.6%
19.00 10.1%
20.00 6.3%
21.00 6.9%

[wilk]

Ok, I'm attaching a poll.

[karolajn]

For me it's better to run a quiz at 19.00, because usually I leave home later ;P

[arasel]

In my opinion the most appropriate hour to run the quiz would be 19:00 or 19:30. It's true that about 20:00 there are movies on tv or people are going out. Also the fact is, that most games lasts about half an hour, so that would be best compromise for all of us.

[eggrodd]

so what we're dealing with here is 19? deja vu or what? :/

[criville]

hi again,

i think you are all missing my point: i wasn't trying to establish which time is ideal for most quizplayers, going by statistics its a no brainer most people like 19.00 best. what i was trying to figure is whether 18.00 is valiable alternative for enough people. to put it differently at the moment rules allow a person to run the quiz at either:

19.00
20.00
21.00
(although i have seen it at 21.30 too)


my proposal is to allow people to run it at either:

18.00
19.00
20.00
21.00

IMO it makes sense as going by statistic it seems that there is as much activity on the channel at 18.00 as it is on 20.00 and more than on 21.00.

i also think that this poll won't help us much it will only show that most people think its best to have the quiz at 19.00 but it won't be conclusive about the 18.00 time. a "would you play the quiz at 18.00?" or "do you prefer having the quiz at 18.00 or 21.00?" would be helpfull. finaly i'd note that even if the 18.00 time is allowed it will still be only be an additional option: the final decision when to run the quiz is and remains to the person who writes the quiz.

regards,
criville

[wilk]

So if you prefer 18:00 than vote on it. The same goes to everyone else preferring to play quizes since 18.

finaly i'd note that even if the 18.00 time is allowed it will still be only be an additional option: the final decision when to run the quiz is and remains to the person who writes the quiz.

It is not.

[criville]

"So if you prefer 18:00 than vote on it. The same goes to everyone else preferring to play quizes since 18."

wait i thought we were just trying to figure if 18.00 is ok for people? if you are interested whether or not people would like to drive a Volkswagen would you make a poll: do you like to drive a

a) Volkswagen
b) Fiat
c) Ferrari
d) Renault

most people will answer c) but would that tell us what they think about the Volkswagen?

"It is not."

this is news for me. i thought everybody picks the hour for the quiz when they want? (well unless its already taken.)

[wilk]

It's completly different matter. But if Ferrari is 18:00 than it will be probably overvoted. If people prefer 19 than 18 then they need to have a chance to choose between or the poll won't be flexible. Using your poll argumentation asking "Do you like cats?" someone must answer "yes", even if he wanted to choose "yes, with spices". But what to choose if someone does not drive a cat... erm, Volkswagen? Than one vote is wasted. So vote and use this thread for explanations like "I voted for 18 - if it is needed, but mostly I prefer 19".

this is news for me. i thought everybody picks the hour for the quiz when they want? (well unless its already taken.)

He picks, but only from 19-21 range (to tell the truth only 19 and 20 is available due to the time span of quiz), so far. He can't choose 14 or 23.

[criville]

"If people prefer 19 than 18 then they need to have a chance to choose between"

why? why is it relevent to know whether they like 19 more than 18? your poll would make sense only if people would have given the option to vote for more things for example 5 pts for the best hour, 3 pts for second best and 1 pts for the third best but this is not the case here. here the only effect we get is that 19 "sucks" all vote for itself.



"Using your poll argumentation asking "Do you like cats?" someone must answer "yes", even if he wanted to choose "yes, with spices". But what to choose if someone does not drive a cat... erm, Volkswagen?"

this isn't true. i proposed a very precise quiz: "do you want to play the quiz at 18.00?" (it is anagolous to asking "do you like cat with spices?"). and it is also my poll gives them the option to vote against the "Volkswagen" while yours that doesn't!
my poll would ask: would you like to play the quiz at 18.00?
your poll asks at which hour would you prefer to play 18.00, 19.00, 20.00, 21.00
now lets that for whatever reason you are against playing at 18.00, in my poll you just pick the option "NO". now how do you vote against 18.00 in your poll?



"He picks, but only from 19-21 range (to tell the truth only 19 and 20 is available due to the time span of quiz), so far. He can't choose 14 or 23."

obviously. if you read my post again you'll see i said that the rules allow to run the quiz at either 19, 20 or 21 so thats the time-frame i had it mind.

[wilk]

this isn't true. i proposed a very precise quiz: "do you want to play the quiz at 18.00?" (it is anagolous to asking "do you like cat with spices?"). and it is also my poll gives them the option to vote against the "Volkswagen" while yours that doesn't!
my poll would ask: would you like to play the quiz at 18.00?

And this is what I call "political polls". They are simply so limited, that ordinary person does not see any background of such question. So I guess most people wouldn't see anything against quizes since 18. But when you give wider spectrum of answers than you will see that people maybe prefer other hours, because at the same time they are also available - it's not a binary question (yes/no). So far there are only 6 votes from 161 (well, let's say only 20 of them are more or less active) users.

[criville]

"But when you give wider spectrum of answers than you will see that people maybe prefer other hours"

question: how do you know? so far what has emerged from this poll is that most people find 19.00 most fitting , but thats something we knew without the poll anyway. but how do you know whether people would prefer 20.00 over 18.00, 21.00 over 18.00? i'm not proposing to scrap any of the usual times however if for example people prefer 18.00 over 21.00 than why don't allow 18.00 as a possibility too? overall your reasoning is flawed in that you fail to see that people can have a preference for more than just a single hour (for example one can like both 19.00 and 20.00 times) but your poll "forces" them to vote for a single one.

[wilk]

Ok, for god's sake I modified the poll to allow up to two votes and option to change them at will.